it is very clear in john 1:18 it says no man has never seen god at any time in first John, Even Jesus own statement in 5 and 37. Jesus says and the father himself which has sent me had born witness me and you have never heard his voice nor seen his face at any time and Jesus was standing right there among them so if had been god why did he say why would you never see god at any time

In John, Chapter 5 and 37, Jesus is speaking to some Jews, probably some Pharisees. They have criticized him for healing someone on the Sabbath. Looking at the rest of the context, you see that Jesus is well-aware that they do not believe in him, so they do not, and can not see God in Him. Over 20 centuries, things have not changed: some people do not want to believe.

Explanation: Later in John 14 when Jesus is speaking with his own disciples, he is explaining His relationship with the Father. Jesus tells Phillip, "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father."

If you dissect the Bible, you find many apparent contradictions. It takes faith to see the big picture and believe. It's a choice.

Explanation:

First of all, 1:18. This depends on what Bible you look at. I think the King James version is just about as clear as they come. I take it to mean what KJV says. Here it is

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If you are a trinitarian, (I am not) this version does not help you very much, but it is clear. It means that no man (emphasis on man -- meaning those of us that are born on earth and were not created) has Seen God at any time. Then Jesus goes on to say that he has been at God's living bosom and he (Jesus) has come to declare who God is. If you put any more meaning that that on it, you are torturing language.

Now the second one is much harder, mainly because your grammar gets in the way. Your question means that you believe that Jesus and God are part of the trinity. Jesus in 1:18 claims only to be God's representative.

The Bible I use is the Good News Translation. Here's what it says about 5:37

The Father who sent me testifies on my behalf. You have never heard his voice, and you have never seen his form.

You have to understand clearly who Jesus is talking to. He is speaking to people who do not feel God (they have little or no Holy Spirit in them) and they cannot feel or see or know of God's presence. He is also talking about Baptism and the role of John the Baptist. This quotation is immensely complicated and cannot be read in isolation.

The fact that you think this upholds the trinity (that they should be able to see God by looking at Christ) is a widely held belief. You are certainly not alone in your beliefs. But you must read enough to find out who Jesus is talking to and about what. This particular verse is not saying what you think it is.

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